Some emotions are so
intense that only poetry can capture the feeling –Prof.
Harry Garuba
By SOLA BALOGUN
Tuesday,
April 15, 2008
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Prof. Harry Garuba
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Like many of his fellow scholars who left the shores of Nigeria
for brighter prospects overseas during the Abacha days, Professor
Harry Garuba could not resist the offer in South Africa in
the 1990s. despite the highly stimulating intellectual environment
at Nigeria’s premier university (University of Ibadan)
Garuba who was senior lectuer in the English Department was
fed up with the days of Sani Abacha which turned the country
into a cesspit of dictatorship.
He could no longer withstand incessant closures and industrial
actions which made mess of the academic environment.
Today, Garuba is professor of English (African literature)
at the University of Cape Town in South Africa. He was recently
invited to Nigeria to deliver a keynote address at the maiden
lecture organized by the Wole Soyinka Award Committee for
Investigative Journalism in Lagos. He also took time to speak
to Daily Sun on his sojourn abroad, noting,
however, that he still misses the highly creative and dynamic
academic and social environments in Nigeria.
Some years back, you left Nigeria for South Africa. Now you
are a professor at the University of Cape Town, how would
you describe your stay in that country?
At the time I left, the condition of academic life in Nigeria
was not very good. This were Abacha years when universities
were closed. So it was an opportunity for me to get back to
serious intellectual work on a regular basis, rather than
intermittently. And in that sense, it’s been quite fruitful.
I had a better environment to do academic work. But definitely
I have really missed U.I. I was lucky to have been in U.I.
at a time when it was extremely intellectually exciting and
there was a lot of intellectual engagements from seminars
to workshops, staff club, to students union buttery. Also
there was quite an academic community that was meeting regularly
and really doing great work so it was really a pity that this
tradition got so dissipated during the Abacha years.
Compared to the Abacha years in Nigeria, what environment
did you meet in South Africa?
Quite frankly, the first university where I worked -University
of Zululand-is one of the historically black universities
and I must say that the level of academic work there was not
very high, having just left U.I. then it was a big step down
in terms of students academic abilities and the academic environment
in general. But later I went to the University of Cape Town
which is a much better resource university with higher quality
of students. So the environment became much better and more
challenging for me academically.
There was the era of great writers like Dennis Brutus,
Albert Camus, Richard Wright and others in South Africa, How
would you describe the literary scene compared to what obtains
in Nigeria now?
The literary environment during the apartheid years was largely
conditioned by the circumstances of apartheid, so there was
this writing that was generally labeled protest literature.
But since the end of apartheid, there’s been new kind
of writings about questioning identities -literature in transition
in which people are identifying legends and trends. But again
I don’t think it has coalesced into any definitive literature
at this stage. What is however clear is that writers have
been liberated from an obsessive concern with issues of racial
discrimination.
With the fall of apartheid, there was a very influential essay
on S.A cultural life written by Njabulo Ndebele and titled
The Rediscovery of the Ordinary. The book was written towards
the end of apartheid years in the 1980s. his claim in that
essay is the SA writing was so schematic, that is only centred
on hero-villain-white-black culture, that it depended so much
on spectacle as a career of messages.
He claims that what S.A writing needed to move forward was
to rediscover the power of the ordinary. And in a sense, more
S.A. writing can besaid to be engaged with the ordinary.
As a Nigerian scholar and writer, how have you impacted on
the people and literary community in S.A.
My experience from Nigeria has been tremendously influential
in SA-first there is the fact that most South Africans were
not aware of writing outside of South Africa. Of course, that
was the legacy of the apartheid years and making students
aware of the robust intellectual and creative tradition outside
of Southern Africa has been immensely fulfilling for me and
the students. For example, when Things Fall Apart was being
taught in syllabuses of various universities, it was clear
that those who taught it did not emphasize on the cultural
knowledge that I would want to play on as a Nigerian lecturer
in S.A.
What improvement has attended your creative career?
I must say that I’ve not been doing much of creative
writing. I have been doing few pieces of poetry (writing)
but I’ve not been able to bring these together in form
of a collection.
I have really been mostly engaged in critical work and I expect
that from next year I’ll begin to put together a volume
of poetry and see how it is received after this long period
of break -since 1998.
Nigeria/SA-issue of crime, social life, etc.
I don’t think crime or the volume of it is what the
problem is, but the violence that accompanies the crime is
the major problem. We don’t find the kind of gratuitous
violence that we see in SA in other places.
For example, in SA, people get killed for as little as a cell
phone set or a small amount of money. The reason for this
is the general availability of guns which is a legacy of the
country’s apartheid history. Guns became freely available
in the period of the struggle.
So one of the strange experiences I’ve had is to find
taxi drivers having guns in their cars. All these have added
to the level of violence. Again, it’s so easy to obtain
licenses to own guns as long as oe can prove you don’t
have a police record and that you have taken some training
in shooting. But then, there’s a lot of illegal arms
because on many occasions while walking along the streets
of Johannesbourg people offer me guns to buy at very cheap
rates. This is the biggest problem.
There are the usual hot spots where one needs to avoid but
apart from these spots, one would be surprised that most of
the violence in SA happen in the communities-meaning that
the conflicts are within the communities themselves.
Concerning rape, there’s a high level of it but the
issue of inter-racial rape is very low-rather it happens often
among people who know one another. And so it is not exactly
as racialised as people think and it’s not as random
as people think.
With KORA Awards and other entertainment outlets, how prominent
or popular is entertainment world is SA, compared to Nigeria.
Actually SA boasts of infrastructure for business. This is
not to say that there’s too much support of entertainment
by the state-in fact, one of the reasons-economic pressures
that contributed to the end of apartheid is that the business
community felt they were being hedged in-there came freedom
for the business class that allowed them to move outside of
the country.
Also the economic pressure liberated a lot of capital to move
and penetrated other parts of Africa.
Nigeria seems to have more talents in the literary and entertainment
world but SA looks like it’s more developed and more
aggressive in these areas why?
This is because Nigeria doesn’t have he infrastructure
that can support entertainment. Also, SA are more outward
looking in terms of packaging their entertainment. In Nigeria,
with a large population,we can thrive economically on an internal
audience, so we are not in the habit of trying to package
our entertainment for the external audience.
What propels you to write as a writer?
I suppose the creative urge makes me to write. I also believe
that everybody has the creative potential, but that people
deploy that potential in different ways. This is because every
creative effort-dance, music, etc are better experienced in
the literature/writing than any other way. For most people,
their creative imagination comes out in song, music and others,
mine is centred on the use of words.
Why did you chose poetry as a creative expression?
There are certain emotions and experiences that are so intense
that only poetry can capture as different from the prose that
explores more time and space-poetry tries to capture the moment
in its intensity, so that was appealing to me.
Target audience
As a poet, I believe if one tries to put the message before
the medium, one is likely to write a very bad poem. So I think
the whole efforts starts from the inspiration and experiences
that one tries to depict. And as every writer tries to make
meaning out of experience, so also it is important to put
the message across or try to create out of the medium which
actually comes first.
What then is your muse?
My cultural experiences have always influenced what I write.
But I also rely mostly on inspiration on which I may not know
where it comes from or what shape it takes.
Role of writer to change society
In the third world, the writer inevitably becomes the voice
of the nation and this originated from the history of colonization.
So writers are expected to play an emancipatory role in public
sphere. In Europe and America, the writer don’t have
to play that role. For example, it may be needless today to
ask an American sport-now it doesn’t make sense, but
in Africa, owing to our historical experience, the writer
is expected to give voice to some kind of national spirit,
emotion, mood and to contribute basically to teaching, according
to Achebe, in the wide sense and not by slogan.
Reflections on my 50th birthday
What is good about getting to 50 is that it allows me to have
perspectives on things that I never had before. Bernard Shaw
said age actually doesn’t make man grow wiser because
he knew of some old people who are still foolish. But what
age gives one experiences which are irreplaceable. These experiences
give one perspectives of life which one may not had as a young
person. I think that is what aging gives man.
Nigerian democracy and the way forward
The major problem in Nigeria is the absence of infrastructure
of economic, physical and social lives. If there’s a
major improvement in these areas, I believe the situation
would be better. I did tell people that before I left Nigeria,
there were no cell phones, but it would be a wonderful experience
if someone embarks on a study of how much cell phones has
contributed to traffic discongestion in Lagos.
This is because when I was in Nigeria, I would need to drive
to certain places which I could now teach through the cell
phone.
For prospective writers
First of all, I know the worse experience for young writers
is getting their works rejected. But I always remind them
that some of the greatest works of literature were once rejected
by publishers and later got published. So they should nit
mind the initial rejection by publishers.
Secondly, they should know that because writing is hard work,
they have to read widely and know what other writers are doing.
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